In My Time of Dying Question.
I was watching IMToD and had a thought so I ran with it and now would very much appreciate you guys’ input on my madness. I hope there is method in it for you, since there was for me.
John’s time of Death was pronounced as 10.41, so I thought that might mean something and I looked at the usual suspects (the apostles) and found these two quotes from John and Matthew and thought that they both fit nicely with the arc in later seasons. I realize that it reads like grasping at straws to find further proof that Krip’s a genius, but it really just seems to fit really really well.
John 10:41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of were true.
-Selling his soul to save Dean’s life could be interpreted as a miracle, but obviously wasn’t.
-Telling Dean that he may have to kill Sammy is the truth.
-Many look to John for help with monsters and ghosts, etc.
Matthew 10:41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward.
-The prophet speaks the truth aka that Dean might have to kill Sammy
-Dean believed John even if he dislikes the notion thus receiving the prophet’s reward
-The first seal will be broken by a righteous man spilling blood in hell
-Both John and Dean are righteous men
EDIT pr. 20 June:
So, I got all caught up in the thought of Bible quotes recently, and thought I'd play around with that some more.
What if Season 5 had 22 episodes for there to be a Bible reference that would fit perfectly with the ending of the show Arc?
I went and had a look and here's what I found:
1 thessalonians 5:22
"5:22 Stay away from every form of evil."
- Dean's hiding in Lisa's house, ribs are branded and he's probably surrounded by hex bags.
- Dean's no longer hunting with Bobby
Matthew 5:22
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment."
John 5:22
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"
- John did put everything onto his son and look where it got him.
Isaiah 5:22
"Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink"
- Last thing we see Dean doing is drinking Whisky in 5:22. This one I mainly put here because it's funny to think of coincidences...
June 13 2010, 13:11:57 UTC 1 year ago
I don't have a great opinion of John and consider Dean to be the righteous man.
Of course, Castiel reminds us that humans got the Bible all wrong anyways! ;)
And I don't realy think Kripke was thinking of the New Testament when he chose that time, but it was fun to analyze the Bible verse.
June 20 2010, 21:30:11 UTC 1 year ago
LOL to Castiel's line about the Bible as interpreted by humans;-)
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Then again, sometimes a number is just a number!
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June 20 2010, 21:23:53 UTC 1 year ago
I went and looked up a bunch of the usual suspects and got to thinking that this might work:
Romans 4:17 "As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations."[a] He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were."
- the father of many nations being the allknowing God who judges
- He who believes: Dean
- He who gives life to those who are dead: the reapers controlled by Sue Ellen
Or maybe this:
1 Peter, 4:17:
�For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?�
- An image of Dean's mixed feelings at being saved through someone else's life being taken?
Or this:
Daniel 4:17
"4:17 This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."
-the watchers: the reapers? Keeping tabs on humans for God
- Sue Ellen's demise as proof that the most High rules in the world after all?
- The basest of men: who other than Dean with all his bad habits and vices? And was he not set above all else by God to help defeat Lucifer?
Or this:
Genesis 4:17
"And Cain had relations with his wife and she conceived, and gave birth to Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city Enoch, after the name of his son"
- The bloodline going back to the brothers Cain and Abel who begat Enoch, whose sigils came to mean so much to our boys.
Or this:
James 4:17
"Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin."
-Dean is without a doubt a good man who believes that all evil needs to prevail is for good men to stand idly by even when the actual action comes at great personal risk and price.
Or maybe this one:
John 4:17:
"In this love has been made perfect among us,
that we may have boldness in the day of judgment,
because as he is, even so are we in this world."
Anonymous
June 21 2010, 03:25:42 UTC 1 year ago
Before I posted, I was drawn to the last one you put out there (particularly in context of the verses on either side of it).
I John 4:16-18 - 16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 17 Herein is our love made perfect that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear; because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (King James Version)
I see many of the series' recurring themes as boiling down to FEARS (of truth, of judgment, hell, of the insufficiency of human love) and the power of PERFECT LOVE (Godly or familial) to heal and make right.
June 21 2010, 03:26:58 UTC 1 year ago